You guys have some tough lessons to learn :) The argument about what is and isn't civilisation is a mute point, the point is its ending, we live in it, and it will continue to affect us more and more unless we do things to try and assist a better outcome. Glen is suggesting some things to do. Like I am too. All we see you guys doing is arguing a mute point, distracting from what Glen is suggesting. We might as well forget he wrote the story, if we get carried away with your mute argument. You might not realise it, but this is what the beast wants you to do, carry on taking the blue pill in enshittopia, convincing everyone else to do the same, as long as it doesn't affect you personally, let the carnage continue, outside your view. You work for the beast without even realising it.