Looks like I might have touched a nerve Michael, sorry about that.

Vague, philosophical arguments, can sound like that, to folk who never used the techniques of formal systems analysis to analyse stakeholder concerns and motivations.

I've encountered that often, in industry also, its usually expressed by software Engineers who think they learned Systems Engineering when they learned how to code, but it can be economists, scientists, academics, even physicists, definitely politicians - anyone who's discipline is transcended, by tying all the disciplines together, as we are trained to do, by formal systems Engineering.

They all have to be met by solid physics and maths.

Tell me which part of what I said that you think is not underpinned by solid physics and maths?

I can throw 400 stories and seven years of work voluntary, as a long practicing, fully equipped Systems Engineer at Chartered / PhD level, with all the modeling tools, and even the Systems Model behind the scenes, expressed in System Modeling languages at you if you wish, just tell me which part you think is not backed up by solid physics and maths.

You think the utilities energy companies are not impoverishing you?

Go ahead and explain how you would make profit from supplying energy from solar, taking more kWhrs from the consumer in the form of money than you supply to the consumer.

Explain where that energy difference comes from. It can't be created from nothing, remember. So where does it come from. I've given you the answer, now you tell me why its incorrect.

Also, tell me why you seem averse to truth? Why do you wish to mix up positive and negative energy?

Do you like having the batteries in your toys the wrong way round, making them drive backwards?

Why would you be happy that this is the way the energy of humanity is, for now, until it completely depletes.

Why do you want to preserve the system of destruction, which will remove all future, is burning the planet, even desrtifying the planet?