Lannie I read more critically your comment here, given our recent exchanges. There is something I should say to you. You are making an assumption that degrowth has to happen. That assumption is based on belief, not logic, it has no physical basis.

We are using mathematically negative energy, everything we do on mathematically negative energy has to come to a bad end. Fundamentally this is what is driving everything. It is needed for profit, war is for profit, profit addresses symptoms of problems, including things like covid, cancer, diabetes, whilst food for profit closes that loop.

Stopping the business for profit, is what is needed, and nature is really trying to force that, if you hadn't noticed. Do you think any of the disaster damage that has happened so far will be fixed at profit? What happened in Puerto rico after hurricane Maria tells you the answer to that.